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Mittwoch, 26. Oktober 2016, 19:25

Stage 3-4 274ps 392nm

Hallo, ich möchte mich vorstellen. Ich bin Comkotes aus Großbritannien.

Ich bin nicht gut mit deutscher Sprache, kann aber einige sprechen. Ich bin schon ein paar Mal nach Deutschland gereist.
Vielleicht hast du über mein Auto gelesen. Wir stimmen und modifizieren die 208 GTI seit fast 2 Jahren.

Derzeit ist mein eigenes Auto läuft eine Stufe 3-4. Wir führen den Turbo bei rund 1,8bar zu 380nm und 265ps bei 6450rpm zu produzieren.
Es nahmen uns 18
Monate des Tunings und des Modding, um von der Bestandsleistung von
172hp an den Rädern zu unserer jetzt 227 HP zu gehen.
Unser Leistungsgewicht ist 239 Das ist das gleiche wie Audi RS3
Einige der Teile, die wir selbst entworfen oder modifiziert haben. Wir haben ein Induktions-Kit, das im November veröffentlicht wird. Unser Induktionskit wurde seit über 8 Stunden dyno getestet und produziert 9bhp + über den gesamten Drehzahlbereich. Ein neuer 30th mit unserer Induktion gewann 11bhp.

Wir unterstützen derzeit die mächtigste Straße gehen 30th in das Land bei 253ps. Auch half, Teile und Informationen zu den Autos in Hong Kong, Australien und Südafrika zu liefern, um nur einige zu nennen
Wir brauchten 10 Monate, um das Induktionskit zu entwerfen und perfekt zu machen
Wir haben geholfen, über 10 andere 208 GTI einschließlich 30 th. Wir sind ganz spezialisiert


Wir führen das Auto auf der Strecke, sind aber auch straßengenehmigt

Wenn Sie irgendwelche tuning Fragen dann fragen, und ich werde mein Bestes tun, um zu beantworten :)

Einige Liste der Mods (englisch sorry)
Kevlar Competition Clutch
Single Mass Flywheel
B14 Coilovers
Airtec FMIC + Pipes
TMSr1 induction Kit
Bosch coils
W1 Oil catch can
ProSport Boost gauge
Custom Built quad exit exhuast with variable cutout
Miltek Largebore turbo downpipe(2.5")
Miltek Sports Cat
Forgemotorsport Bov
Mtech Short Shifter
Uprated engine mounts

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Mittwoch, 26. Oktober 2016, 20:30

Awsome... :-)

Any Pics available?


Cheers,
Mike
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Mittwoch, 26. Oktober 2016, 23:42

Hallo mike,
Motorbucht vor 6 Monaten,
Noch auf der Bühne 3 in diesem Foto, Wir sind auch auf youtube
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Mittwoch, 26. Oktober 2016, 23:46

Keine Fotos von Induktionskit, Sie werden nächste Woche veröffentlicht werden

More photos
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Donnerstag, 27. Oktober 2016, 07:48

Ohoh better write in englisch :-)

Looks nice... but which turbo charger are you using? If i have a bigger one i don't really need a boost gauge ^^
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Donnerstag, 27. Oktober 2016, 09:13

What a nice coincidence that Comkotes himself is in our Forum...WELCOME!

i am following your videos for a long time and have found you in some english forums...
your induction kit sounds great!

For those who want to know more about the parts comkotes has had in some of his cars (which turbo? which clutch? etc.) here is a link to a video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUHjBUsqh_g
Below the video are the details with every change in the shown car.


I myself talked about the changes you made with "clemens-motorsport" (One of the few german tuners with garanty [up to 5 years] of what he does) especially about the "Black Diamond Clutch" you used in the car.


Why did you change it to the "Kevlar Competition Clutch" ?
Have you changed one of the new 208 THP 208 (Euro 6) Models yet?


I am looking forward to see your induction kit and especially if the price is like you wrote in your english forums ;)

Have a nice day!

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Donnerstag, 27. Oktober 2016, 15:00

Ohoh better write in englisch :-)

Looks nice... but which turbo charger are you using? If i have a bigger one i don't really need a boost gauge ^^

Thank you Guys.

We still use the original Borgwarner ko3s turbo. It is said we could run turbo it up to 34psi but engine would require rebuild every 48hours.

We curently run the turbo at 26-27psi.

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Donnerstag, 27. Oktober 2016, 15:11

How many longruns at the German Autobahn have you done with it? How long can have you driven at at the Autobahn with 6800/Min in the 5th Gear?
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Donnerstag, 27. Oktober 2016, 15:28

What a nice coincidence that Comkotes himself is in our Forum...WELCOME!
Thank you.

i am following your videos for a long time and have found you in some english forums...
your induction kit sounds great!
Thank you. Our induction kit makes 9-13hp and 25-35nm depending on whether you have stock, stage 1, stage 2, stage 3 map. It works on all maps that we have tested.
As we make a much bigger bang in the engine you get more boost. We tested for 5 months, completing over 12'500 miles, 8 hours of load dyno testing. (We have also driven on German autobahn with the induction kit back in August).

No map changes are required, you simply have more power. IAT is lower, g/s flow rate is higher, CACT is lower. Power is reliable and only varies by 1.14% no matter how many runs on the dyno you do. We made a recent Euro 6 with our TMSR1 induction fitted and stage 1 map produce 219.4HP at the wheels and 276ft lbs, without TMSR1 it only made 206hp and 250ft lbs with the same map. All our dyno testing have been done independently so we have no control over the dyno operators. They actually didnt know they were testing a new product as secrecy was important. turbo lag is reduced by 15%
For those who want to know more about the parts comkotes has had in some of his cars (which turbo? which clutch? etc.) here is a link to a video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUHjBUsqh_g
Below the video are the details with every change in the shown car.
I myself talked about the changes you made with "clemens-motorsport" (One of the few german tuners with garanty [up to 5 years] of what he does) especially about the "Black Diamond Clutch" you used in the car.
Great, we have heard of clemens motorsport and anaylsed some of their data.
We use the kevlar because we have full stage 3 tune, this makes max power at 6450rpm. If you make over 210ps above 5000rpm then wave goodbye to the clutch. Most remaps on the market do not make power above 5000rpm, this is because the kevlar clutch is over £1500. A dual mass flywheel also cannot survive so only option is smf. Our small mass flywheel is 5.9kg compared to dmf 10.6kg.

I suppose you could say our clutch was custom made by black diamond as they take all the specifications and make it to order, It doesnt exist in their catalogue or webiste.

We actually have 1 other friend who also uses the same kevlar clutch but he runs ko4 with methanol @280bhp

Why did you change it to the "Kevlar Competition Clutch" ?
Have you changed one of the new 208 THP 208 (Euro 6) Models yet?
We changed to a kevlar clutch in Feb 2016. When we went to stage 3 the stock clutch blew up within 1500miles :(

We have tuned a few THP208 models, The THP208 model has the rcz clutch fitted and it is a bit better. The most powerful THP208 model we have supported in mods so far makes 253ps @4900rpm and 276ftlbs@3100rpm. We have not needed to change the clutch but if we up the power to around 260-270ps then the clutch would need upgrade.



I am looking forward to see your induction kit and especially if the price is like you wrote in your english forums ;)
Great. TMSR1 is £300 + p & p

We already distribute many upgraded tuning parts across the world as the 208 is quite specialised and problematic for some to get parts that can withstand the tuning.

Have a nice day!
You to :thumbsup:

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Donnerstag, 27. Oktober 2016, 15:34

How many longruns at the German Autobahn have you done with it? How long can have you driven at at the Autobahn with 6800/Min in the 5th Gear?

Our top speed in 6th gear was gps @ 164.4mph (264.57 kmh). We need more power to get higher speed. Our car is very reliable and can withstand running wot. At wide open throttle the car runs 8mpg (2.8 litres of fuel per 1km). Yes that's over a half a tank in just 100km

We are still in 5th gear at 145mph (233kmh)

We have upset quite a few drivers on the autobahn, basically other cars need 350-400ps to be quicker than us. From a rolling 64kmh we are faster than FOCUS RS
One of our test cars actually drove again on the autobahn just 1 week ago.

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Donnerstag, 27. Oktober 2016, 16:01

Thats great... what have you done with the transmission? In the Euro 6 GTi it could reach about 250 Km/h at 6800/Min... But more that 235 Km/h (GPS) with 237 PS was never possible with Clemens Stage 2. And even his reace car only reached 250 Km/h at 315 PS.
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Donnerstag, 27. Oktober 2016, 16:34

Thats great... what have you done with the transmission? In the Euro 6 GTi it could reach about 250 Km/h at 6800/Min... But more that 235 Km/h (GPS) with 237 PS was never possible with Clemens Stage 2. And even his reace car only reached 250 Km/h at 315 PS.

Thanks. We have TMSR1 - we can still hold 22psi at 6450rpm :) Most stage 2's cant hold 14psi at 6000rpm. When my car was stage 2 it could do 250kmh. Since then we have come a long way and TMSR1 increases torque across the whole rev range. I have Euro 5 and rev limiter is 7000rpm. Our exhuast is also very specialised and unique but we have been tuning and modding this 208 for nearly 2 years so have lots of experience in what works and what doesnt. We have many custom parts on it, some of them we design. Aerodynamics is also important.

It doesnt matter how much ps you have, its how you use it and where it is produced.

When we dyno the car we are often appluaded. You can see in the 1st photo on stock map our TMSR1 creates +32nm
Sie können im 1st. Foto auf Lager Karte sehen unsere TMSR1 schafft + 32nm

We actually broke two tuning records when on dyno with TMSR1 as we make stage 1's cars produce more power than stage 2.

Here is a dyno with the ome map(from factory) with a TMSR1 fitted, as you can see the curves are completely different compared to ome airbox and aftermarket filter which gives us a huge advantage over any curent 208. I think you should see even by 2400rpm our TMSR1 is making over +30nm than factory airbox with aftermarket panel filter.

We also have a stage 1 comparision table for you, Please note this dyno is from a Euro 6 with the kit fitted, think our minimum gain @6000rpm is 17ft lbs(23nm) on the stage 1
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Donnerstag, 27. Oktober 2016, 17:34

Ok... and what about Euro 6? What have you done here?
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Donnerstag, 27. Oktober 2016, 17:47

@Voltago: Denke die beiden letzten Bilder sind schon Euro6.

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Donnerstag, 27. Oktober 2016, 18:00

Ok... and what about Euro 6? What have you done here?
Hi, Yes we have tuned a euro 6 to a stage 1-2. The euro 6 gets very hot and this has to be overcome to create more power. Initially we struggled to make more than 210ps but with some mods managed 219hp(222ps) at the wheels (which is 253ps at the flywheel). A stage 2 euro 6 may be quite close and we expect 228-230hp(233ps) (which is 262ps at the flywheel). I am quite sure the clutch will break and shall require a kevlar clutch.

It took us 8 months on euro 5 to get the clutch working correctly. We found out despite many technicians saying not possible we were actually boiling the clutch/brake fluid such is the heat from the kevlar clutch. We fixed this by using a full race glycol clutch fluid


And yes we have tested TMSR1 on Euro 5 and Euro 6. It works on both engines. We are curently only selling kits for Euro 5.
Euro 6 will have to wait until early 2017. The Euro 6 kit will called TMSR2

Confusingly you can fit a TMSR1 on a euro 6 and it works perfectly. It just doesnt look very good as some tape has to be used. This is becasue back in July we decided as Euro 6 testing was not fully completed we would use the next 4 months so could make further performance improvements to TMSR1, this enabled us to get 3% more airflow through TMSR1 for euro 5. The Euro 6 R2 version also inherited those performance gains and we didnt want to have TMSR2 superior to TMSR1 as that wouldnt be fair to customers. We have since fully tested and dyno TMSR2 on Euro 6's but only completed testing early October. Its very important for us to thoroughly test every aspect, we do through live data logging and dyno which took many months.
Ok... and what about Euro 6? What have you done here?

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Donnerstag, 27. Oktober 2016, 18:14

Ok... at last i was at 234 PS with my 30th. To get to to much more there had to me invested too much - plus the higher usage of oil, breaks, tyres and so on.
So i said to me i change to a new car with real power ^^
But... the 208 gti 30th remains the most beautifull of all to me... but beauty doesn't drive. :whistling:
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Donnerstag, 27. Oktober 2016, 18:19

Ok... at last i was at 234 PS with my 30th. To get to to much more there had to me invested too much - plus the higher usage of oil, breaks, tyres and so on.
So i said to me i change to a new car with real power ^^
But... the 208 gti 30th remains the most beautifull of all to me... but beauty doesn't drive. :whistling:

Well done and sorry you changed car. This is why we designed TMSR1 and TMSR2 as we make more power without the clutch needing to be uprated so owners can stay at stage 1 yet enjoy more than stage 2 power. Maybe you should buy it back now our kit is launched 8)
The suspension on the 30th is also no good and tyres are hard to get.

On my euro 5 we do not have lsd but due to custom map and modified drivetrain we have no torque steer. We can of course in the wet still spin the tyres at 160kmh if we are not careful with the throttle. It took us 6 months on my Euro 5 to remove torque steer from the car. We have more power and less weight due to not having to fit lsd. When we were stage 2 the car would still torque steer at 140kmh, We are very happy to have solved that problem. My euro 5 kerb weight as we lightened it quite a lot is 1100kg . We have a friends euro 6 with lsd and it weighs 1185kg :( It is far cheaper to reduce kerb weight than it is to get more power.

My Euro 5 has same power to weight (239) as WRC R5, yes we have to fully service mine every 4000miles but I have been tuning and building engines for over 25 years.

My Euro 5 265ps/385nm cost over 12'000 euro to build.......

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Donnerstag, 27. Oktober 2016, 18:21

No hehe its already sold... over and out :-)
But 30th means Euro 6 :-)
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Donnerstag, 27. Oktober 2016, 19:59

No hehe its already sold... over and out :-)
But 30th means Euro 6 :-)

Can I ask Voltago how much torque you had and what rpm on your tuned Euro 6? I see at stage 1 you had 330nm

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Donnerstag, 27. Oktober 2016, 20:36

No its about 355 Nm at about 2400.
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